Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome to another exciting episode of Kids and Careers, the podcast where we dive into the dreams and future career goals of young people who are already making big plans for the future. I'm your host, ray, and today we have a special guest who has a real passion for soccer. Our guest is Ander Zook, who not only loves the game but also has a big dream to become the world's greatest soccer coach. While Ander used to play soccer himself, he recently decided to switch gears and start focusing on coaching. To kickstart his coaching career, he's going to be a coach helper for his school team next year. Ander, welcome to the show. How are you doing?

Speaker 2: 0:45

I'm doing good, Ray.

Speaker 1: 0:46

Yeah, nice, I'm glad to have you.

Speaker 2: 0:49

Thank you.

Speaker 1: 0:50

Yeah, it's awesome that we get to take this time to let other young ones know you know, hear about your exciting journey from playing soccer to wanting to be a coach. It's a big switch. It sounds like you've got some great plans for the future. So let's start by hearing how you first got into soccer and what made your love to games so much.

Speaker 2: 1:16

I think I first got into soccer when I was about three, maybe I think my dad just said I'm going to sign you up for soccer, or I asked him and I played for the Mighty Mines, but at first I didn't enjoy it that much. So fast forward to. I was eight, I signed up again for my best friend's team and then I just started playing from then.

Speaker 1: 1:41

Nice, nice, what's your first memory?

Speaker 2: 1:46

playing soccer, playing soccer, you have one, you remember um, my first memory of playing soccer is it's not actually playing soccer, it's after the game that I played. I fist bumped one of my teammates walking out to my car. That's my first memory.

Speaker 1: 2:06

Nice, nice. So you like that camaraderie, the team that you get to be a part of, yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:14

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:15

Nice. Was there a moment or a specific play that you can think of, like when you're on the field? You know where you say man, I love this game and I want to do this, be a part of it forever. Is it something you watched?

Speaker 2: 2:29

it's? It's tough because at first I didn't watch that many games, like I would listen to what's happening in the games and I would um check the scores, but I never really watched them. I guess the most inspirational thing was probably my first coach training us and telling us if you can't get this down, then you can't get the next thing down.

Speaker 1: 2:54

Yes, Huh, so the coaching part, yeah. So you saw how that had an influence on you. You felt that moment and you said, man, that's, I want to do that someday. Yeah, all right. Did you feel uh unsure about making a change? Uh, you know, did it feel something that was kind of natural to you when you say, man, I'm playing it, I want to focus on coaching it?

Speaker 2: 3:20

it didn't feel like I was doing something completely different because, like, since I was playing on my first team, I would always notice, like, what they're saying to each other and I would try to inform my coaches about that. So I just kind of knew the basics of what. What I'm doing now, yeah, Like that.

Speaker 1: 3:43

Yeah, so you know you got that background story. What does your family think? How do they react? What do they say when you say you want to switch over to the coaching?

Speaker 2: 3:53

I think my dad was supportive. I think my mom is supportive, but I'm not quite sure yeah.

Speaker 1: 4:03

Yeah, that's cool man. You know parent support is is huge. You know, that's a lot of times when we don't know what we want to do, or we do have a passion for something. Either way, it's great when you have someone in your corner. So that's nice man. Did you, um have a specific lesson you've learned from being a player that you think will be important to help you remember to start coaching others? Yeah, maybe like some insights or something you picked up over time.

Speaker 2: 4:33

I think that if you're too hard on your players, then they won't be able to perform to their best abilities. Won't be able to perform to their best abilities, like, if you make them run so much that it hurts to walk, then they won't be able to perform well in the drill and so they'll have to run again. It's difficult because it's good to run, but also you need your players to perform in the drill so you can see how well they do.

Speaker 1: 5:05

Yeah, yeah, okay, I get that. So how do you know when someone's running too much? What's a key factor that lets you know that?

Speaker 2: 5:15

I don't think that, as the coach, you're able to know, because I think it's by the player. If the player says he's running too much, he's probably not, but there's a high chance he is just give him a little bit more push and then trust that they're telling you the truth.

Speaker 1: 5:33

Yeah yeah so you gotta get a bond between the coaches and the players is huge yeah nice, um Nice, so is it? Do you have a coach in mind that? So that kind of helped you guys reach your potential that you can think of?

Speaker 2: 5:56

I don't think there's like one main coach. I think there's a lot of coaches, but the one that mostly stands out is probably Jose Mourinho. He's a Portuguese coach. He's currently coaching at Fenerbahce. But, yeah, he was a player like when he was my age, but he realized he wasn't physically able to keep up with other players and knew there was a low chance of making it. So he decided to focus on this, on the sport, and like coaching it, and that's basically the inspiration. I think he inspired me when I was like 10 and I just kept coaching in the back of my mind for a few years and then I just decided because I don't know what reason, I just decided that I was going to just start coaching.

Speaker 1: 6:58

Yeah, huh, he sounds like a good coach. What's some qualities that you think he has that are good, like, say, was he patient, understanding or just got a really good inspiring voice?

Speaker 2: 7:14

Oh, he's really not that patient. He's not that like, he's really stubborn and, if you like, it's difficult to say about him because I've never met him. He's really stubborn. It's difficult to say about him because I've never met him, but he doesn't take crap. I don't know how to explain it.

Speaker 1: 7:38

Yeah, that's a tough guy.

Speaker 2: 7:39

If you're saying you can't run because your ankle hurts like a little bit, then he's going to make you run more.

Speaker 1: 7:49

Yeah, I can tell. Yeah, all right, I'm getting the picture. So he's talking to like tell me, how does that work? When you're observing him, you observed his coaching skills.

Speaker 2: 8:01

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 8:02

Okay, and you like how he's interacting with the players Okay.

Speaker 2: 8:08

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 8:09

I got you All right. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, you know, observation is key.

Speaker 2: 8:16

So there's the coach that coached me. Actually, I have spent like I think two years with the coach that coached me. I have spent like I think two years with the coach that coached me, but the coach that I was talking about earlier, that's at Fenerbahce. I mostly just observe him, like on TV or on like a video app that I can see the style he plays, and with my coach that I play under. I observed him by sitting on the bench, like I still played, but when I was on the bench, I looked at his hand motions and like what he was like looking at and the stuff that he thought, and that's mainly it.

Speaker 1: 9:00

Yeah, so you're you're really observant, Okay. So, yeah, you know you probably could pick up. Yeah, so you're really observant, Okay. So, yeah, you know you probably could pick up, but I don't know a whole bunch about soccer or football, right, so you're helping me get the picture. I'm learning, you know, I'm learning to listen to you. So that's I mean, man, that sounds like it takes a lot of fortitude. It takes a lot of determination to pick up on that stuff, man, and to be observant and to see what they're doing and see how you can apply that to yourself. Look at your dream of becoming the world's greatest coach. You've got a really big goal for yourself to become the world's biggest coach.

Speaker 2: 9:40

I wouldn't say biggest, but I would say most successful.

Speaker 1: 9:43

Successful. All right, so putting numbers up, huh.

Speaker 2: 9:47

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 9:49

So how do you know you're being successful?

Speaker 2: 9:52

Winning trophies, I guess.

Speaker 1: 9:54

Ah, so you want to see some trophies.

Speaker 2: 9:56

Or like taking a team that usually you wouldn't think could contend for a title or a trophy and then taking them to like, maybe a fourth place finish, but it's still fourth place. But like, let's say, they were in 10th place the year before and you take them to a fourth place. That's a successful year in the eyes of the fans and the players because you got them closer to the dream that they've been wanting to get.

Speaker 1: 10:27

Totally get it. Yeah, any improvement is a win. Yeah, even if it's to hold steady. I mean, think about it, if you're number one and you do number one again, I mean it's kind of hard to surpass being number one. So even holding steady is success. I mean that's great. Yeah, number one, so even holding steady is success, I mean that's great. Um, yeah, I totally get that. You know, being successful or you know, because there's a big difference between being the world's greatest, you know. I mean you could be measured by a lot of different things. I mean that's, that's such a wide range, but you narrowed it down saying just look at my success rate and let that speak for itself. That's huge. Yeah, wow, um, do you think there are certain qualities to make a good coach truly great or successful?

Speaker 2: 11:16

I think having a strong mindset and being able to listen to the players as well as listening to your staff is probably what makes the best manager or coach.

Speaker 1: 11:28

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:29

I think if you're not able to listen to the players, then you won't be able to help them improve on their game.

Speaker 1: 11:39

Yeah, get that feedback. Yeah, how do players give feedback?

Speaker 2: 11:48

I know giving feedback to a coach it can be intimidating, but they just really have to walk up to you and tell you it.

Speaker 1: 11:58

Wow, all right, I like that. So, looking at next year, you're going to be helping the coach at your school. Yeah, it looks like that's a great opportunity. How did you? How did that come about?

Speaker 2: 12:14

Um, I've, I played for my school the two years prior, but again, I always wanted to become a coach and I was, I think, last year I was playing for my JV team and I was just observing what the coaches were doing and I kept thinking they're playing the game wrong. And it was like I think I just got that inspiration like trying to fix that, the game that we were playing last year, and so I think that's why I decided to do that.

Speaker 1: 12:53

Yeah, yeah, that's great man. You know you have your way of doing things and, man, your ideas are going to mean a lot as a coach. You know you're going to work with possibly a staff of other coaches and businessmen and owners and you want to get that goal accomplished of getting a success rate going there. That's huge, you know Well, are you planning on working closely with the head coach to learn much about what they do, or you have your own ideas? You know I heard you say that, but is there anything you want to glean from the head coach?

Speaker 2: 13:35

I think I am looking forward to being close to the head coach, but I don't know if I'll be working close to the head coach, like I don't know, if you understand like yeah you're gonna be there, you're gonna be like observing what's happening, but you're not gonna be getting the insight that you need. So I think if I can just stay observant and give them intel that I think matters, then I'll be able to get more into.

Speaker 1: 14:03

Nice, yeah, that makes sense Totally. Is there something specific that you're hoping to learn, something you're going to hone in on and say man, I got that down.

Speaker 2: 14:17

I want to learn how a player that's more attacking I want to know how a player that's more attacking can help on the defense when the defense has to start attacking too. Like, let's say, they get the ball down in their side of the field and if you have a player that's more attacking, like a center mid maybe there, and he's more attacking, they can pass the ball to him and then he can bring it up. Or if that doesn't work, I want to know how to fix it if it doesn't work, because I've never really managed how to do that.

Speaker 1: 14:57

How often do you see that play?

Speaker 2: 15:00

You see it more than you don't. I'd probably say like 89% of the time.

Speaker 1: 15:07

Really. So, it's used quite often.

Speaker 2: 15:10

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 15:10

Professionally or in school.

Speaker 2: 15:13

Professionally.

Speaker 1: 15:14

Ah, so that's going to be the bridge, just to figure out how can you bring that home to to your school, because you'd like that play and you think it's very effective. Yeah, nice. Let's see as someone who's planning to be a coach how would you describe your coaching style? You kind of have that idea that you painted for me. Do you see yourself being more of a motivator who encourages players to give their best, or maybe more of a strategist who focuses on the game and its tactics?

Speaker 2: 15:50

I think that if I can get all the stuff I need to get down now, I can be both of those strategists and the motivator.

Speaker 1: 16:00

There you go. I like that that. How would you handle a tough situation where a player isn't performing well?

Speaker 2: 16:08

I'd probably say take them, like if there's a large gap in games, like let's say 20 days or 15 days I'd say take them out of like team training and put them into specific training and then try to practice the things they're not doing well, and if they can't get it down before the game, I'd keep playing them, but if they're not performing I'd probably take them off at halftime.

Speaker 1: 16:38

All right. Have you thought about how you would build strong relationships with the players and keep them motivated and focused?

Speaker 2: 16:49

I haven't really thought about that, but that's something I do want to figure out how to do.

Speaker 1: 16:56

Hey, there you go, See, it's all right, not everybody knows everything, and that's something you're going to pick up from that coach and you're going to observe that, and then you're going to become a very key factor of helping your team be successful with that. I mean, that's good, you know, it's okay to not know something. Yeah, so you've set your sights on a big goal and it's clear you're passionate about soccer, uh, football, what have you? Do you have a roadmap that you're looking at? Uh, let's say, getting there. You know, how do you, how do you plan on doing that? Is there? Uh, I know you got the observation. You're gonna look at the coaches. Um, is there anything else?

Speaker 2: 17:36

I think like helping helping coach my school is the first step, but also doing sports science in college Also, that's also something I would like to do.

Speaker 1: 17:50

What was that.

Speaker 2: 17:52

Sports science in college. What's that I haven't really studied much on it, but I think you're just figuring out the basics of physical activity and what happens in a physical activity. Yeah, Running.

Speaker 1: 18:19

You need to figure out how to position well running and what effects running has on the body. So that's almost like a really intense health class.

Speaker 2: 18:26

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 18:28

That's all I that's all. The class I took was health. Ah man, so you you're going to learn about how the body moves and what's the best way for that person to reach their peak performance.

Speaker 2: 18:42

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 18:43

Yeah, and that's a class or a course that you learn in college.

Speaker 2: 18:49

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 18:49

Really. Yeah, I learned something. I like that. So this is when you get older, how far away is college for you?

Speaker 2: 19:02

I'm in eighth grade now, so it's five years, I think all right, yeah, you're gonna get this done.

Speaker 1: 19:09

Man, I see, I see good things yeah yeah, do you see yourself continuing uh soccer journey into college or even coaching at higher levels, like professional leagues um? Is there any school you have your eye on?

Speaker 2: 19:24

If I can find just a good school, that'll work.

Speaker 1: 19:28

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:29

Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1: 19:31

I didn't know if there was something in your area where you probably have to go somewhere else for school. You're just going to major at something like business, or what do you have in mind there, maybe?

Speaker 2: 19:43

I think business could help me with the financial part, but I also think engineering could help with team structure.

Speaker 1: 19:53

Wow, that was kind of a curveball you hung in there. Thank you, we can work. We'll work with work with the host. He likes to throw curveballs. Is there? Is there such thing as a curveball in soccer like, can you curve?

Speaker 2: 20:09

yeah, actually, it's probably one of my favorite skills really look at that.

Speaker 1: 20:15

Hey, we got something in common. Oh man, so let's say you're setting up for a training session, right? Yeah, as a coach, what kind of drills would you include to help players improve their skills?

Speaker 2: 20:30

oh, what kind of drills would I help players improve? I'd probably focus on passing drills and then setting up for a shot, and then I would. So you set up for a scrimmage, but you set up for one team and it's the starting 11. You have the ball being passed around, then you direct the players where to stand and you just keep doing that for a while until they get it down and then go back to like shooting. Yeah nice.

Speaker 1: 21:05

Wow, that would be definitely a workout. I'd be pretty tired after that, probably. Huh, yeah, uh, let's say, how would you explain, uh, the importance of different formations to someone who's new to soccer like myself? Why are formations such a big part of the game?

Speaker 2: 21:29

I don't know how to describe how they're so important, but do you know the phrase, the beautiful game.

Speaker 1: 21:39

No, I don't.

Speaker 2: 21:40

Well, there's a phrase that people call soccer the beautiful game. No, I don't. Well, there there's a phrase that, uh, people call soccer the beautiful game and a lot of people say that, like, tactics and formations are the mind of the beautiful game. So I think that explaining a tactic, it's like it's difficult because you need to. You need to know basics of soccer before you can explain like difficulties of soccer, like tactics. That's why the beautiful game is the basic part and then the tactics in the mind are the difficult ones.

Speaker 1: 22:19

I get it. So that's that's your foundation keeps it all together and you can build on it from there. That's a nice name for it too, because you think good things when you hear that beautiful game wow, what's your favorite team?

Speaker 2: 22:37

it's, I know, not a lot of people. I think a lot of people criticize this team, but it's Chelsea Football Club.

Speaker 1: 22:44

Go blue.

Speaker 2: 22:46

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 22:47

Right yeah, sounds like a cool football club. I think so.

Speaker 2: 22:53

I think it is, but not a lot of people do.

Speaker 1: 22:57

What made you become a Chelsea fan? What was that? That happened.

Speaker 2: 23:04

Chelsea become uh, you become a Chelsea fan. What was that? That happened, I think, when I was eight or eight or nine. I was watching one of my favorite YouTubers at the time and his favorite team was Chelsea and he said his his about a player. He said there was a player named Christian Pulisic. He was American, so I did some more research on Christian Pulisic and then I felt like I really like Christian Pulisic so I just decided to start supporting his team, chelsea. And when he moved to AC Milan, I thought I guess I'll just support AC Milan. No, but like I still just couldn't get over Chelsea, cause I just kept supporting Chelsea, yeah, I'm like that with the other basketball team, the Tar Heels.

Speaker 1: 23:52

That's Michael Jordan, and so he's. He was kind of like your Michael Jordan.

Speaker 2: 23:58

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 23:59

I totally get that. Yeah, when you spend time with people that you watch and you get to observe them, it becomes a part of you. They touch that part of your heart and that's where you get that motivation. That's huge, big inspiration for young ones to learn from other figures. I mean, I think that's great, man, that you have Chelsea as a football team. Hold on to that. I mean I think that's great, man, that you have Chelsea as a football team. Hold on to that. You know that's not wrong, even if some other people criticize you. That's your thing, you know. Hold on to that, man. That's great. Chelsea has some really memorable moments over the years. Was there one game that you, you know that stuck with you that you'll never forget?

Speaker 2: 24:39

Yeah, um, it's. It's gonna sound like like I'm a trophy hunter, but I'd probably say the champions league final against manchester city, when we beat them one zero. Yeah, it's just it, it's pretty. It was pretty much peak football for chelsea nice good job man yeah, um so what are some interesting?

Speaker 1: 25:06

some interesting facts about Chelsea that you want to share with people. If they don't know about Chelsea, what's one thing you would share?

Speaker 2: 25:16

I don't know if there's very many interesting facts about somebody that doesn't know Chelsea doesn't know Chelsea. I guess if you're a fan of a lot of different players, like Samuel Eto'o or Eden Hazard, I guess you could say they played there and Eden Hazard mostly played his career there than he went to Real Madrid. And I think Eto'o played there for a few seasons, maybe maybe one, but I think that there's a lot more memorable players at Chelsea than people remember that played there.

Speaker 1: 25:57

Yeah, they got a lot of cool things the story of Chelsea, the story of the Blues, I know that they have a nickname called the Pride of London, but Wow, what's with the nicknames?

Speaker 2: 26:13

There's just a lot of nicknames in England.

Speaker 1: 26:17

Yeah, yeah, it looks like they've been around for about over traced back over like 100 years. Yeah, They've got a lot of heritage there and you know, like you mentioned, there too they won a lot of trophies. So I get why you want trophies, man. They look great.

Speaker 2: 26:37

I think that we should. I think that Chelsea should still win more trophies, but I think we do have a lot of trophies.

Speaker 1: 26:45

Yeah, man, you can never have of trophies, yeah.

Speaker 2: 26:48

You can never have enough trophies, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1: 26:49

They got great sponsors and their website that people can read about a lot of their accomplishments as well. I mean, that's their players and it looks like they got a lot of determination in their eyes. I mean, when you see soccer players on the field, I mean they're focused. I mean, when you see soccer players on the field, I mean they're focused. I mean that's amazing. You know they're running their hearts out. Let's see. As a coach, would you want to bring some Chelsea strategies maybe into your coaching there for the school?

Speaker 2: 27:22

I wouldn't use recent Chelsea strategies because the strategies I don't think have been that good, but I think when the coach I was talking about earlier, jose Mourinho, was coaching them, I think I would use that strategy. I don't remember the formation he played, but I would use that strategy with a 4-1-4-1, having like a central defensive midfielder in between the midfielders and the defense, being that gap that they can play through to bring the ball up the field, like I was talking about earlier with the center mid. That's more attacking nice, yeah, uh.

Speaker 1: 28:03

So sometimes chelsea has some rough seasons, right, you know they have some, some tough times. Um, just like any team. How would you stay supportive even though you're going through rough times? I mean that loyalty, what are you?

Speaker 2: 28:19

it's it's kind of. It's kind of mean the way I stay supportive of Chelsea. I take all of the anger I have that Chelsea's not doing good and I direct it at a team called Manchester United because they're so much worse than Chelsea. It makes me laugh, so I just direct those feelings at Manchester United.

Speaker 1: 28:45

I do the same thing with Duke, the Tar Heels and Duke man. That's an endless rival man. So what do you think the team needs to get back on top? What's some things that you think will help them do that?

Speaker 2: 29:01

I think they need a center back that's over the age of 23. I think they need a center back that's over the age of 23. I think they need a goalkeeper that actually has experience in the top five leagues, and I think they need a striker that wasn't just playing at a mid-table Spanish team.

Speaker 1: 29:28

There you go. I like that. So what about attitude? Um, for, as a coach, staying positive, especially when things are not going well. Um, what would you tell our listeners for that?

Speaker 2: 29:35

I think you don't have to stay positive as a coach. If things are going tough. I think that the players if things are going tough, the players think that the players if things are going tough, the players deserve some knock on the head to tell them you guys are doing bad. You need to step up your game. But I do think staying positive also does help with players' mentality.

Speaker 1: 30:00

Yeah, they need that tough love. Everything can't be always peaches and cream. So, yeah, that makes sense. Man, good advice, yeah. So you know. Just to sum it up, you know just, I appreciate you being on the show.

Speaker 1: 30:16

It's been amazing hearing about your journey, your dreams, even some of the. You know the mindset that you got to have to be a coach and that love that you have for soccer. I mean that's great. Sports can do so much for the body. Physical activity can do so much for the mind.

Speaker 1: 30:35

I think it's huge that you're trying to be a part of a community that fosters that and spreads that to so many people. You get to watch it, like you say. You can watch and observe it and you can motivate others. So it looks like you're already thinking like a coach. I can definitely see that. So I'm sure you're going to do great things in the future. I look forward to seeing it and hearing about it. So what advice would you give other kids who might be thinking about switching career goals, just like you may have switched gears as a truck driver? We switch gears all the time. We have to downshift and we got to upshift, we got to get up the hill, you know, got to pass or maybe slow down. We got to hit the brakes sometimes, so what advice would you give people?

Speaker 2: 31:22

I think I would give the advice you don't need to follow your dreams, but you need to follow your guts. Because if you follow your dreams and it's not what your guts agree with, then it's not going to go well. Because my dream was playing as a player, but I in my I had a gut feeling that I knew I couldn't make it. I was not physically enough, I wasn't fast enough, I wasn't technically enough, I wasn't technically good enough. So I decided to use my gut feeling and switch course.

Speaker 1: 31:57

I like that man. That's wise words of wisdom there. Thank you, yeah, you know, your dreams and your gut are two different things, and you're already coaching yourself yeah, yeah, that's great man, that's huge.

Speaker 1: 32:10

You're telling yourself things that you know, those tough things that you have to deal with, those decisions you have to make. It's like, man, you know, should I keep going down this road or should I change course? And you did that, so you changed the game plan there. Man's flip the script, awesome. So before we wrap it up, uh, is there anything else you'd like to share about coaching goals or your love for chelsea?

Speaker 2: 32:34

I probably say find a player that you really like and follow that player until you follow the team that he plays on nice.

Speaker 1: 32:45

Why is that?

Speaker 2: 32:47

because if you, if you can't find a team that you really support, then soccer is not going to be a game that you enjoy really because soccer is a game for highs and lows and if you just jump from team to team and just stick with the high, you need to be able to feel the low so you can remember how the high felt.

Speaker 1: 33:12

That's so true, so you get to go to any games personally.

Speaker 2: 33:18

I've been to a few Portland Timbers games.

Speaker 1: 33:21

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:24

I think I'm a good luck charm for them, because the only games I've been to they've won. So yeah, except that there's a time that I watched their game on tv and they lost 5-0. But yeah, it's, it's because my dad wasn't watching or something, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 33:42

Yeah yeah, all right, so you got a little superstitious. Uh, bone in body there. Yeah, you got to have something like that to make it all make sense, right? Yeah, well, thank you so much for joining us today, andrew, and I know that your passion and your dedication will definitely achieve her dream and become the world's greatest coach, or most successful coach. By all means, I'm sure you're going to make sure that that happens. Yeah, the determination there. So, to our listeners, thank you for tuning in to our series of kids and careers. Be sure to share this episode and follow us in inspiring stories of young people chasing their dreams or listening to their gut. All right, until next time, you guys, stay safe out there.

Speaker 2: 34:33

All right.